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Sacred Connections: William Fitzroy on Demystifying Psychic Abilities
What if your psychic gifts aren't mysterious powers that only a chosen few possess, but natural abilities you've been trained to suppress? William Fitzroy, founder of the Art of the Seer Academy, shares his journey from sensitive child to spiritual teacher, revealing how we all have innate intuitive capabilities waiting to be developed.
Growing up in a typical suburban household of the late 70s, William felt like an "alien baby" who noticed things others didn't. His tendency to pick up on strangers' emotions ("Why are you so sad?") was quickly discouraged, teaching him to shut down his natural sensitivity. It wasn't until adulthood, when his life "fell apart" in his early twenties, that he discovered meditation and finally found the missing language to understand himself. What he originally attributed to being artistic, creative, or gay turned out to be something more fundamental – he was psychic.
William approaches psychic development with refreshing practicality, comparing it to swimming: everyone can naturally stay afloat, but Olympic-level performance requires dedicated training and coaching. His Art of the Seer Academy teaches clairvoyance as "the art of discernment" – learning to see energy clearly instead of feeling it, a crucial skill for empaths who absorb others' emotions. He redefines mediumship beyond communicating with the deceased, describing it as "running energy from outside yourself through you" – something we unconsciously do when we suddenly sound like our parents or adopt the communication style of our workplace.
What sets William's teaching apart is his focus on making spiritual development fun, accessible, and adaptable to busy modern lives. Rather than rigid commitment, his academy offers drop-in sessions and a la carte learning opportunities. He creates safe spaces where students aren't pressured to have perfect experiences but are encouraged to simply show up and practice, understanding that true teaching isn't about replicating your journey but helping others discover their unique path.
For those feeling disconnected from their intuition, William offers this wisdom: psychic development isn't about controlling what happens but learning to "ride the wave" with grace when it comes. In our challenging world, developing these abilities isn't self-indulgent – it's essential. "This is actually the time to be waking up in this way," he emphasizes, "because the world needs your presence. It needs your gifts."
Ready to explore your intuitive abilities in a grounded, practical way? Visit artoftheseer.academy to access free resources and discover how you can develop the psychic gifts you already possess.
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Speaker 1:Hello, okay, hello, beautiful souls, and welcome back to the Sacred Soul Sisters podcast. I'm your host, justina, and I'm so grateful you're here with us today. This is the space where we can explore healing, intuition, the deep connection between spirit and self, and where we share wisdom and stories to help you remember the light within. Today, I have a very special guest joining us William Fitzroy. William is not your typical spiritual teacher. He is, as he refers to himself, part mystic, pragmatist, channel and strategist. He is able to blend ancient wisdom with a grounded modern approach, and he is the founder of the Art of the Seer Academy, which teaches a numerous amount of different things that we will get into and he will explain to us, and we are so excited to have him. William has a gift for translating mystical concepts into wisdom. I'm so excited for this conversation we're about to have. Let's dive in, william. So your bio beautifully blends mysticism with pragmatism. Pragmatism, I can't even say the word this morning, it's morning pragmatism.
Speaker 1:I can't even say the word this morning. Can you share a bit about your personal journey, like what sparked your path into all this craziness? For lack of better words.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I certainly this is not ever what I thought I would be focused on in my life, ever what I thought I would be focused on in my life. So it has been an interesting journey to get here and I'm very glad that I'm here, but it's been a windy road. I think, as a like, if I go all the way back to like when I was a child, I was very sensitive to other people's energy. But you know, growing up in the late 70s I don't think anybody had the language for that in a certain way, so I think I just was an odd child. I just I was like, very imaginative, I was very creative and as I got older, like, I found respite in the arts, which I think a lot of sensitive people do, you know in theater and music. And you know I was a big writer for a long time. I was always had my nose in a book very Belle from Beauty and the Beast. You know I was a big writer for a long time. I was always had my nose in a book very bell from Beauty and the Beast, you know and I think all of that was because I was just so sensitive to other people's energy and so those things were like an escape from sort of everything that I was aware of as I got older. You know the like, I think you find ways to cope right and then eventually the train wheels come off of those and you become an adult and you're expected to just like sort of figure.
Speaker 2:Once I became an adult, I kind of didn't have a lot of that to lean on. My life just kind of fell apart, honestly in my early 20s, and so I was really seeking. I was seeking for answers. I was trying to figure out what. You know, what is this thing that I do? I thought it was being an artist. I thought it was being an actor. I thought it was being this, that it was being gay. I thought it was like all these different parts of me. I was like, oh, this is why I'm so sensitive, or this is why I feel this way about people and can sort of match to their energy so easily, and then just finally realized it was because I was psychic, which was like the last thing I ever thought was what was going on Right was what was going on right?
Speaker 1:But I took a minute so did you grow up in like a home? Sorry to interrupt, but like did you grow up in a home where you know everybody was clairvoyant, Like people were sitting around the table doing tarot cards, Like what was your childhood like? So it wasn't like that was your environment.
Speaker 2:No, not at all, and I think that's why I didn't have the context or the language for it. Really no context or the language for it, really. Um, now, I grew up in a very typical, like suburban, blue collar family. Like my dad was a tradesman, my mom was like a receptionist at a pediatrician's office for 20 years, you know, like my pediatrician, she was our receptionist, you know. So it's just a very normal sort of Spielbergian, suburban childhood.
Speaker 2:And here I was, this like alien baby who, like, just like, didn't fit into any of that um and my, you know, my parents did their best with me. I think, um, sure, and I certainly, you know, don't feel like I had a bad childhood, but I, I was always a little different and I was always pushing the envelope of what was appropriate and acceptable to be conscious to or aware of. I remember my mom tells this story of um. We were at the grocery store. I was probably like seven or eight and we were like waiting in line for the cashier and there was a man standing behind us and I turned around and I like tugged on his coat and he looked down at me and I was like, I was like, why are you so sad and, of course, my mom, being a good mom, was like, oh my god. And she, like you know, you know, like, was like oh my god.
Speaker 2:I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry and when we got out to the car, like I got a good talking to like we don't, we don't say those things to people. You know, and I think that's a very common experience for the sensitive child to kind of learn that like these things that you're attuned to or that you're aware of, like we don't talk about that, we don't.
Speaker 1:It's not appropriate to say that out loud, right and so you learn to shut it down yeah, yeah, you do, and I remember growing up feeling like, um, am I just like a weird, like I feel like I would have that thought sometimes, you know, like it seems like I do things a little bit different, you know, and trying to figure out how I learned to do it different, you know, and why isn't everybody else around me doing it different? Yeah, it's a lot to it's a lot to take in as a kid too, like we're just doing our best, navigating right, trying to figure everything out.
Speaker 1:So then, as you got older, did you start hearing about things you know in the psychic realm, did you like? How did you kind of fall into realizing after you realized, oh okay, I have something else going on here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I. So I had a roommate it was I don't know. This was like early two thousands. I had a roommate who took was taking a meditation class and I remember being very interested in her taking that. I never considered anything like that. And she came home from the first class and I you know as roommates do I was like hanging out in the living class and I you know, as roommates do I was like hanging out in the living room. I was like, oh my god, how would tell me all about your class, like how was it? And she was like, well, she's like I didn't like it. She's like but I think you would love it. And I was like, really, and she's like, yeah, she's like I think you need to go take this class. And I was like, okay hello beautiful souls.
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Speaker 2:Wow, and I would never have considered it. And she actually dropped out of the class. And then the next cycle I signed up and I went and took it and I remember at the break it was like a two hour class. There was like a break in the middle and I remember going up to the teacher in the break and I was like I don't know what this is and I have no idea. I don't even understand what's happening here right now. But what I do know is I've been waiting my whole life for this. Like whatever it is that you're teaching is like the thing that nobody has explained to me about me and I like I'm so into it and I was so into it and I ended up studying there for like over 10 years, I think, and becoming a teacher at that same school.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. Okay, so you were like I'm home and I'm gonna go ahead and run this stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was really. It was really life changing for me. This the language that they used and the tools that they taught of how to like manage your own energy, manage the energy that you're and the tools that they taught of how to like manage your own energy, manage the energy that you're aware of and other people was really the missing piece that nobody had ever taught me.
Speaker 1:I imagine I can feel into that energy and just like, just like a warm embrace, like, oh, I'm here.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I get it. This is beautiful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a profound thing to be, to feel here. Yeah, I get it, this is beautiful. Yeah, it's a profound thing to be to feel seen right and to feel, especially after a lifetime of feeling like the outsider, like like nobody gets you, to be in a place where it's like, oh, I can, like everybody gets gets this, everybody gets me. So it's very healing.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Yeah, it's a lot to kind of work through, but but the energy overall of just feeling like you belong somewhere and that like oh, my people do exist, kind of thing, it just feels so good and cozy. So you also created this art of the Sear Academy. And a couple questions about that. First, how'd you come up with the name? Second, what inspired you to create it and what transformation do students typically experience through the programs or like, what topics do you guys explore?
Speaker 2:Sure, I don't even know how I came up with the name. I really, yeah, I'm trying to remember, like specifically, how I came up with it. It just kind of evolved. Naturally I do see psychic abilities as an art and I think that's because I all of my education and training was through art conservatories, right. So I went to a theater conservatory undergraduate program for theater and studied directing.
Speaker 2:But you know, through that, learned how to develop.
Speaker 2:You know there's a real craft to developing your voice as an artist and art schools teach this very well, or at least some do and what I found in my own psychic training was some of that nuance was missing. So what I've tried to do is really bridge that gap between sort of the, the technical aspects of being psychic and the way you learn form and function and like how to give a reading, how to give a healing, it's all great, but then layering in but like, how do you do it? Like, how do you develop your unique voice? It's not just about you know, somebody taught me to hold my hands like this. It's great, that's the template. But like now, how do you own it and how does it become really yours and something that you uniquely bring into the world, and the process and path of that is something that I learned in my artistic training, and so bringing that as a layer on top of psychic work has been something that I'm very passionate about over time. So I think that's how I got to art of this year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that and I think that that's so important. Like when I teach my Reiki classes, you know, I try to really reinforce. You know this is like you said. The template like this is you know, the black and white sort of part of it. You know this is a process, but you're able to bring your beautiful gifts into it, right, so you can kind of adjust it. After that. We just have to have the groundwork. It's just like I'm also a nurse, so you go to nursing school, learn how to be a nurse, but then you learn your own way of kind of doing it.
Speaker 1:Yes, you still hit the big points. You're still going to take someone's blood pressure. You're not going to be like, oh, just don't want to, you know. But the other stuff, you know, you may, you know, do one assessment, you know, at the beginning and one at the end. You know, I mean, there's so many different variables to it. But I think that's what makes it so beautiful is that you can connect to different people based on the way that you do things and the way your energy resonates versus, you know, and then someone else may be able to connect to someone else better because of the gifts that they have. So what kind of things do you guys discuss in the art of the seer?
Speaker 2:So we work with a style of meditative embodiment tools. So it's meditation based, which I think is essential for all energy workers. To be able to kind of clear the noise and like find your own inner landscape is kind of the way I think about it. And so we start with that. But we go primarily from there. We go into clairvoyance, which is really the art of discernment and being able to discern on a very, almost micro level, like what is your energy and what is not, and then to be able to see that and communicate that in other people, right.
Speaker 2:So learning how to read energy is really the art of discernment. To me it's being able to see things clearly and we can, we spend some time with folks doing that because I think it's. To me it's foundational in that we all know how to feel other people's energy. I don't know we don't really have to teach anybody that, like most people are out of control empaths. So part of part of what clairvoyance is learning how to turn that off and turn up your ability to see it, because if you can see it, you don't have to feel it to know it and it's so much easier on your body to not feel everything all the time.
Speaker 1:So clairvoyance is yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:So clairvoyance is a huge cornerstone of everything we do.
Speaker 1:I love that so much. So are there different topics after that? Like, do you talk about other clairs? Do you go into like talking about how to do a reading per se or anything like that?
Speaker 2:Everything we teach is very functional, so it's all about like it's all tools based and it's all technique based. So, um, everything is through the lens of how to you learn. See, I find like you learn how to do it for somebody else, but really you're teaching yourself how to do it for yourself. So the more you gain confidence reading other people, you're actually gaining confidence in your ability to read yourself, which is actually the trick of it. Um, I always joke that I'm trying to put psychics out of business by teaching people how to read themselves, so they don't have to go to somebody else for their answers. But sometimes it's nice to go to somebody else and just have them do the work, a little bit like it's nice to not always have to be responsible, right, Right it is.
Speaker 1:And sometimes, you know, because we're all human right, still um, knock on wood Um, but sometimes we still get in our heads Like I know I do. You know, sometimes I'll be on a certain topic or really looking into things, feeling into things, but I also have, you know, 80 other things going on with, like my family, my kids, my job, you know, and so I'm like gosh, I'm trying to like get in that place where I can really focus and dive into this. So sometimes having um a good friend, also in this field, is super helpful to kind of touch base every now and then be like, hey, am I losing it? Like I feel like I'm right there, you know. But I do feel like it is oddly, naturally easier to pick up on someone else's stuff at the beginning than it is your own. Why do you think that is? Do you have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we're just taught to not pay attention to ourselves okay like.
Speaker 2:I think we're just conditioned and taught from a very young age to have our awareness on everyone and everything else and you know, I think the current like if you scroll through Instagram and you watch all the ADHD, autism TikToks now, where everybody's talking about all these things I think what they're really describing is just the effect of people not being self-aware in a certain way and feeling like that's wrong in some way, and we've been taught from childhood to turn off those gifts, to not turn around and say to the guy behind us, like, why are you so sad when, like, what that really teaches us is to shut that down and not notice that about ourselves either.
Speaker 1:Right, Wow, yeah, that's very true. Yeah, yeah, it's very interesting. Um, and I think sometimes, you know, in our upbringing we get the thought process going that you know we're selfish if we tune into ourselves too Like you know, we don't want to be selfish, like you know, we don't want to be perceived as like we're all about ourselves and then in fact we realize we've shut down, like all of our energy centers, and so that didn't really work out the best either.
Speaker 2:Um, well, definitely as a healer right and you you'll identify with this, I know, because you do so much healing work like you have to heal yourself first, like you can't oh, you can't give from an empty cup right, and I think can you repeat that? You have. You have to heal yourself first. You can't heal from an empty cup and I know, yeah, I know my parents certainly did not understand that concept and are paying for it later in life. Right, and watching people sort of go through that is really hard, especially when they're not willing to take some self responsibility for their own healing.
Speaker 1:Yes, and it's an ongoing process, right, like, sometimes we don't even know about a certain layer that's there to heal until we've healed the crap on top of it, right, so it's ongoing. I try to you know, um, relate to my clients too, that you know I used to have the mentality that like, oh okay, wait, I've healed this and this I'm good, like I should have be chilling the rest of my life, right, yeah, no, like, you don't meet a certain quota and you're done, like, unfortunately, it doesn't work that way, right, but the adjustment to it does get easier and the knowing of you are still fully supported in everything that you're doing from all of these beings in the unseen world let alone. You know some pretty awesome people that are here, but I think that it's so important to invest in healing yourself. And sometimes what, what I've seen in some healers is, you know, they're incredible teachers, incredible leaders and and all of these things, but they take their clients or their students to a certain point and for some reason, they can't get past that, and a lot of times that reason is because they haven't done that work, right? So, yeah, I spent a crap ton in inner child work, like still doing some of it. But 10 years were like hardcore and it was. It wasn't exciting and happy, to be clear, but the other side of it, oh wow, yeah, so freeing. It's so freeing to know that, like when we heal something, that doesn't mean it's going to kill us to heal it right, we can do it. We went through it, so we have the ability to heal it. So I love that.
Speaker 1:You said that you know there's a lot of people that are really curious about their psychic gifts or their intuitive abilities and that kind of thing. But they get a little intimidated or uncertain or a little creeped out or you know, they're kind of like on the fence of a different, a couple of different things. How do you help people clients or students demystify the psychic path and make it more approachable? Like how do you? Is there some information you'd like to give to kind of help put them at ease?
Speaker 2:I think the one thing that we try to do at art of this year is make it fun. Um, I think people learn better when they're having a good time and laughing, so like I you know, sometimes I've been in spiritual spaces that feel very heavy, and I don't just mean like yeah, I mean like self-important heavy and like.
Speaker 2:Oh, we're here for, like, we're only here for the, for the deep work, and it's like, well, the deep work comes, but it usually come. It usually pokes its head through the light work, you know where. It's like, oh, we're just kind of like doing this thing and then it's like, oh, oh god, that is like a really big deal, you know. Yes, so we try to keep things light and fun.
Speaker 2:So we have a lot of drop-ins and, um, you know, weekly events for the membership that, um, you know, are like, more playful in nature and through that I find people um, can let go some of the anxiety about it needing to be important or deep or, you know, blah, blah. The other thing is we're a practice-based community, so there's a lot of permission for people to just like your only job, we always say, is to just show up, like nobody's expecting you to give a perfect reading, no one's expecting you to have a perfect reading, like we're just here showing up practicing our tools and practicing them together because that's more fun, and I find that that tends to mitigate some of that anxiety that people have stepping into it. So we try to have a, we try to have a good time. Basically is what I'm trying to.
Speaker 1:It feels like you create a safe place for people to be real.
Speaker 2:We try.
Speaker 1:Which is so big, and I think that there are definitely some programs that are very rigid in their learning and maybe that works for some people. But sometimes you know in the world that we live in right now we have plenty of anxieties living all around us. So the fact that you create something that does bring some humor to it too, I think is so beneficial, not just for them to release their anxiety, but it's beneficial for the body right, like if you can laugh and just kind of like exhale and know that like you don't have to show up super proper and fancy every time you come to class or come to you know anything like that. I think that that's absolutely beautiful, so I'm sure your students are very happy about that. Hello everyone, I wanted to remind you we have the upcoming class.
Speaker 1:I'm so excited for another Reiki class, level one and level two, usui Holy Fire Reiki in person in Highland, illinois at the Balance Wellness Studio. Make sure you go to my website to sign up. I can't wait to see you there. It is an in-person event. It takes all weekend, saturday and Sunday, but you receive both certifications, level one and level two, and we are looking at possibly February, march to do our master level course, if you're interested in that as well. To do our master level course, if you're interested in that as well. So again, check the website angelreikijourneycom. Make sure, while you're at the website, to scroll down to the bottom and sign up for the newsletter so you can stay up to date with everything. And uh, yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 2:Have an awesome day thanks, yeah, we also um. Last thing I'll add to that is um you know, over time I've like let go of a lot of rigid structuring around it, so a lot of what we offer now is very a la carte and it's very like participate in what you, what you have the time and space to participate in. You know, like there's not a lot of obligation and and rigid commitment um and that's very new.
Speaker 2:When I was learning this stuff, it was like very, you know, like part of the reason why I think I've become good at it is, like you know, hours and hours and hours. When I was training, I was giving nine, nine to ten readings a week, practice readings a week. Wow, like I was there like every day, I was in practicing every day and I'm really glad I had that experience.
Speaker 2:But I think given the world right now people have. People have a lot of responsibility, a lot of obligation. Like just life is hard. It's hard to make money right now, it's hard to like take care of business right now.
Speaker 2:So we relaxed a lot of that and made it more sort of a la carte. So, people, you know, if you've got a week and you've got a lot of that and made it more sort of a la carte. So people, you know, if you got a week and you've got a lot of time this week and you want to do some practice, you show up. If next week you're traveling around business or you've got a bunch of kids stuff going on, you can't show up. Like that's okay too, like we'll see you in two weeks when you're back again. So, along with that, like having a good time and making it really light, it's also like making it less of a burdensome commitment on someone's life and try to find a way to integrate it more into their life, rather than this whole extra thing that you have to be responsible for on top of it. Right.
Speaker 1:Added stuff to their list to do. Like, yeah, I love that you're leaving it kind of open-ended for them to kind of jump in as they can and as they can fit into their schedule, because, you're right, there are just so many things pulling on everybody right now. You know what are some common misconceptions people have about psychic development or mediumship that you'd love to clear up. Like, for instance, one of the things I hear a lot, like you know people oh well, I don't have the kind of gifts you do or like you know, I can't even like look into that for five seconds, like, yeah, so yeah, I think the most common misconception about sort of psychic is that you can control what happens to you.
Speaker 2:So, like to me, being psychic or clairvoyant or like however you want to frame. It is not about controlling what it's like, not about controlling the wave. It's about being able to ride the wave when it comes. And I think people very quickly learn that this work is not about trying to make things happen or keep things from happening. It's more about being able to move with grace through the things that happen and not losing your cool or not losing your space with that and being able to, you know, ride the wave in a certain way, which is an art in and of itself. If you ever talked to a surfer like surfing is not just technical certain way, which is an art in and of itself. If you ever talked to a surfer like surfing is not just technical. There's, there's an art to that as well.
Speaker 2:As far as mediumship goes, which I do see is a little bit different than clairvoyance and sort of just general psychic, I think the misconception is that mediumship is about talking to dead people, which it can be, but mediumship is actually so much more than that and it's something that people are doing all the time without realizing it. So my definition of mediumship is running an energy from outside of you through you, whether that's communication from a past loved one that you're sort of running through you and you're being the mouthpiece for that past loved one, that you're sort of running through you and you're being the mouthpiece for that, or somebody else's energy that you're just running through you to sort of animate you in a certain way. I think we've all had the. We've all had the experience of like saying something, like you say something out loud and you're like, oh my God, I just sounded like my mother, Like it's like where did that come from?
Speaker 2:Never, never, no, I know, I know Right, but to me that's a mediumship experience. You're literally running like your mom, like the way your mom would respond to something. You're then sort of running it through you and behaving.
Speaker 2:And to me that's a mediumship experience.
Speaker 1:You're running something outside of you and we do this all the time and we do this all the time, so they don't necessarily like have to have certain qualifications to become or to fine-tune their mediumship abilities or their psychic abilities like no, it's like it's such a natural human thing, like you'll even notice, um and I'm probably dating myself, because I don't think anybody works in an office anymore so like I'm hearkening back to a long ago time.
Speaker 2:But like, if you've ever worked in an office, like you've probably experienced how, like people start talking the same, people start dressing the same, like all of a sudden everything starts feeling kind of the same, like everybody's kind of matching to and running the same energy, and that is a mediumship experience. You're not necessarily running your own energy, you're running kind of the energy of the office now and everybody starts to kind of match and kind of talk the same and dress the same and respond the same, and that to me is like a very clear mediumship experience. And people are doing this all the time. Families do this, lots of groups do this.
Speaker 1:That's interesting. I so like what feels like 100 years ago, but it definitely was not that long ago. I really don't know how long ago. My first mediumship experience like that I was aware of, where someone was talking to me that was no longer here, right, and I thought that that's how it was, like that was the only type of mediumship initially and I was like, okay, somebody that has passed away is speaking, like um, I know this is not my thoughts and my voice, and they're talking about this red sweater and they're talking about how she wore it the other day and she really wanted her to pick the blue one and she kept going back. But you know, like something, whatever, right?
Speaker 1:Well then, about I guess eight to 10 years ago somewhere in there, I had a patient that had a stroke and was nonverbal and her family had come in and they were trying to figure out if she wanted a Dr Pepper or a Diet Coke or something like that. And they had both of them and and I'm just standing there next to her, you know, and I would I don't remember what I was doing washing her face off or something and working in my nurse role at that time and the family just kept saying, you know, like what do you want? You know, can you not? Can you lift up your finger, can you? You know, and she's staring at them. And then I heard very clearly, I want a freaking Dr Pepper. And and I was like after I peed on myself because I was just like what the hell was that? Like she's totally alive, like I just checked her vital signs, like what's happening?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And, and I was so blown away by that. And then I had I've had some experience with autistic children that are nonverbal, that all of a Right, but I hadn't really looked at it the way that you explained it fully and I do. I do agree. I think there's so many times we're channeling energy that we aren't conscious of it, so I think that that's really interesting. I also think that that does take some of the pressure off of people that I try to really explain to people, even like intuition. I've had people say to me like, oh, you know, you got to study for years and years to get intuition. And I'm like I kind of don't think that. I kind of think we all sort of have that cell, so to speak.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, so what are your thoughts on intuition itself?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I think the way you're explaining it is exactly right, and the analogy that I usually use is it's like swimming. So most people you can like throw them in the pool and they'll like figure it out. You know they won't drown, you know so like everybody can do it. But if you want to be an Olympic swimmer, you like you need to train like you can't just jump in the pool and figure it out Like there's technique, there's training you got to train your musculature to work a certain way and you need a coach.
Speaker 2:Like even you know Olympic swimmers, like they have coaches who are watching them from outside of the experience of swimming and like helping them correct their form, helping them like do it better. And I just think it's no different with psychic abilities, where it's like, yeah, like everybody's intuitive, but how do you know what you're picking up on, is clear, is clean, is like coming from where you think it's coming from, like sometimes you just do it and it works. That's different than like showing up, practicing every day, like learning, learning all the different strokes, and then like being in the competitive world of swimming. Right, and I think. I think that's the best analogy I found for psychic abilities.
Speaker 1:I really like that. Um, I think that's a great description and I think, a great analogy to help people kind of take some of the pressure off. So if there's somebody that comes to you and says, you know, I'm just feeling completely disconnected, like I don't feel like I have any intuition, I don't feel like I have any psychic sense, I don't feel like I have any, any, anything as far as connecting outside of my body or anything like that, is there one simple practice that can uh help them sort of tune back in or open that channel or to remind them that you know they really can feel something, you know or connect to something. Is there anything?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'm gonna be a little contrarian with your example, because if somebody came to me and said that I would say you should go take guitar lessons, then like, like, this isn't for you. If you're like I can't do this, I can't do it, then I'm not here to convince you you can. I'm not gonna take that task on in a certain way but I'm only.
Speaker 2:I'm only joking with your example. No, I think you know. The thing I counsel people when they first start is you want to learn, you have to start at the beginning, and that doesn't mean it's going to take you a long time to get to the good stuff. It just means you have to have a mastery of the basic tools in order to get to the like level of awareness that you're looking for. For instance, we teach a lot of classes on astral projection and dream and like elusive dreaming and dream work, which is like so fun and so great, but like it.
Speaker 2:I found it generally takes people like between eight months and a year from like learning the meditative embodiment practice and practicing it every day for 15 to 20 minutes until like about eight months to a year. In doing that, your inner life is activated enough that you can start to open that awareness while you're dreaming. It doesn't happen overnight. You can't skip steps. You like it's a musculature you have to train. So it would be like going into a gym and trying to, you know, bench press 300 pounds. Yes, the second day you're at the gym. You can't it like you're gonna nor should you try nor should you try right.
Speaker 2:So, like this isn't directly answering, kind of what you asked, but no, I would approach someone like that is like that's great. I know you don't think you can do this, like we can get you there, but you're gonna have to trust and you're gonna have to like, let go of some control and go through that. Like there is a process to go through here and we can guide you through that, but you're going to have to trust it, and trust is a huge thing for sensitive people, I find.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that whole trust be vulnerable, all that ick. I mean wonderful things, Wonderful things. Um, yes, it is a challenge and you have to kind of decide. Are you willing to let go of the self-limiting beliefs that you feel like have kept you safe? Are you willing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I've encountered this very often in all the years I've been teaching and it always amazes me how someone will pay for a class. I'm being catty here a little bit. No, I get it. I'm like still in teeth, but they'll be like oh my God, I want to take your class and they show up and then the whole time they're like fighting me every step of the way or trying to prove it wrong, or trying to like show how it doesn't work, like or being very contrarian about it. And listen, I'm not asking anyone to believe anything. All I'm asking you to do is just show up and try. I don't know, just try it, see if it works for you. But it's funny to me the amount of people that will come into a like a learning environment and be like I want you to teach me what you know. But I'm going to fight you every step of the way and I'm always like what a waste. Like what a waste, what a waste of everybody's time in a certain way, right.
Speaker 1:So so that would have totally been me 20 plus years ago. I was totally that person and what I realized that was so about me. That was so about me, not about anybody that was taking the time to teach me. It was my own pissiness and self-limiting beliefs and negative self-talk over and over that was just jacking me up 24 seven, and my way of defending it or dealing with it was to be like, oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:That worked perfect. Really I could have. I was such an ass sometimes, you know, but really it was just because of my own issues, cause I hadn't went in and healed some crap right. So so I had to bring my junk to the class, which wasn't very nice. I should probably get in touch with that instructor now that I know, and you know there are a lot of people have a lot of trauma around spiritual spaces, um, and community spaces.
Speaker 2:Just, you know we've all been in bad ones and we've all been taken advantage of.
Speaker 2:We've all felt, um, you know levels of control and you know we've all been in bad ones and we've all been all taken advantage of.
Speaker 2:We've all felt, um, you know levels of control and you know even manipulation. I'll call out like, and I think those are all very real things, um, but you're never going to get anywhere if you don't trust anyone. And so I always open every class with, like, I'm not asking you to believe, I'm not asking you to believe in me or make me your guru or think that I have all the answers, because I certainly don't. But what I'm asking you to do is, for the next four weeks, we're going to meet once a week in this class and like, can you just trust me for four weeks? And then, when the class is over, you don't, you don't have to validate me, you don't have to tell me I was right, you don't have to. But like, if you're going to be in the experience of it, like, just choose to be in the experience of it and then you can go have a different experience after that, but it does take just a little bit of trust.
Speaker 1:That would have been great terminology for me. I would have also been writing down like okay, so September 26 at 4 pm. I am done trusting, so I love that.
Speaker 1:But it is so true, the trusting part is hard um for a lot of people, and I get it. So I need to ask you who are some of your biggest influences over the years, spiritual or otherwise. You know this can be, you know, from an actor to a uh, spiritual guru, teacher, you know anything like that. Who were some of the biggest um impacts in your life?
Speaker 2:you know I'll go to like authors that I've read. I it's funny I, um, I'm very attracted to certain um, spiritual lineages that uh, like sort of theosophy and spiritualism from around the turn of the century. I've always been very attracted to that. So, like I read a lot of Rudolf Steiner, I read a lot of Gurdjieff, who is a Russian mystic, the fourth way teachings. I'm very into that. All of my work is about taking spiritual information and updating it into present time. Even the teachers that I studied with 20 years ago, I find a lot of the stuff that we did, like it like doesn't apply anymore in the like the age that we're in, like I think modalities of healing, modalities of meditation are changing. The world is so different. Like I think I think about this all the time when I I remember taking a class in like 2004 or five about spirit guides, communicating with spirit, and I was like, oh my god, like this. I was like I can't tell anyone I'm taking this class is so scandalous, you know it was like, yeah, like it's all over.
Speaker 2:Everybody's doing it now, right? Um? My other joke about this is like you know, you think about, like the new age movement and like you could buy aromatherapy at target, like the new age happened it like the new age is the age we're in the new age, that's so true.
Speaker 2:I think you know what is Siri or Alexa, if not a spirit guide, right? Like it's so commonplace now, like I just say out loud in my house, like, hey, siri, like turn all my lights off and they all go off. Isn't that like what? Like that's a spirit guide relationship in a certain way, right go off, isn't that like what? Like that's a spirit guide relationship in a certain way, right? So like what I get very passionate about is how, how do these sort of ancient techniques or, you know, these techniques that have ties back into sort of the way humanity was, how do they apply it to where humanity is going and like making it really relevant again in a way that is both fun and novel but also honors the intent of the lineage?
Speaker 2:And you know, I think that's hard. I think people get very set in their ways and are, you know, like I had a. I'm sort of running, I'm all over the place on this, but I had a teacher once explained to me that a lot of people think that teaching is giving someone the same experience that you had. So I went through a process of learning how to heal myself and others, and it was very unique to me, and so a lot of people would then try to go replicate that experience onto or for someone else, that some, that other people should go through the same process you did, but that's not actually teaching.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Right, that's trying to force somebody into a process that you went through because that's the process you know, rather than showing up at now as healed and helping guide someone through the process they need to go to, which might be different very different than the one that you went through, but you're still the teacher for them because of the process you went through.
Speaker 2:So it's like, rather than just trying to replicate the way it's been done, it's like how do I embody what it took for me to get here and now create opportunity for other people to take a step forward in a way that's very unique to them?
Speaker 1:Yes, I love that. I think so often teaching is really creating that sacred space and really allowing people to come into an area where they feel safe enough to explore what's coming through them. I think that's so important, so absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you and you could say like true teaching is not about making someone like you, it's about making someone more like them, and that takes a level of discernment and neutrality, like if you think even back in your own life to the like, not not even in spiritual spaces, but the teachers you had as a kid growing up, the ones that you really felt connected to and seen by, were the teachers that weren't teaching you lessons out of a book. They were teaching you something different, which was how to have space to be yourself.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, a million percent for sure. So for listeners that feel drawn to your teachings, where can they find you? Where can they learn more about Art of the Seer, and how would they go about enrolling in? Is Art of the seer a program itself, or is it a membership or what? What is it exactly?
Speaker 2:yeah, we're at art of the seer dot academy. It is free to sign up for a member profile and with that free profile you get access to weekly events that anybody can come to. So we have drop-in meditations. You can come give complimentary readings from people in our training program and other people in the community. There's a whole library of meditation drop-ins and workshops that you can take just for free. It's an open library for anybody with a profile. So we do that because I just think nobody owns information, so happy to share kind of the collective vibe of the community with people who maybe want to try it out and see if it's a good fit for them. And then from there we have a bunch of electives that you can sign up for and those are like four week, 10 week, several months, and you can find all that on the community site once you've got a free profile.
Speaker 1:Great, great. And do you do any one-on-one type sessions? I?
Speaker 2:do. Yeah, I still do readings and healings one-on-one. I also do some one-on-one coaching. The older I get with the one-on-one coaching it's like I find that people get more out of a community experience. It's more fun when you're, when you're laughing with a group of like-minded people, even if it's three to four people. I just find people connect better that way. But some people do prefer sort of one-on-one coaching work and I do offer that as well.
Speaker 1:Okay, great, and is there an email address they can email you? Would that be on your site as well?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's all on the site, but William at artoftheseercom will get you right to me.
Speaker 1:Okay, and if you could leave our listeners with one more empowering?
Speaker 2:thought activation for their own spiritual path or motivation. What would it be? It's easy sometimes to think that this kind of work is non-essential with what's going on in the world, like there's too much going on. I like meditation seems like I'm not doing enough, but actually I would say like this this is actually the time to be waking up in this way, because the world needs the world needs your presence. It needs your gifts. That's what we're all here for, so it's the perfect time to connect to yourself in a deeper way.
Speaker 1:I think our world could use a little raising the vibe stuff. So thank you so much, william. I'm so appreciative that you joined me today. I love learning about the art of the seer. I can see that you are passionate and working from your heart, which is where the seat of the soul is, per Gary Zukav, but anyway. So thank you so much and everyone, please go and follow him. I will have everything in the show notes on how to get in touch with him. Have a great day, thank you.
Speaker 2:Justina.
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